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, including gao. thousands have fled south to escape. elizabeth palmer is in mali and met some of the refugees. >> reporter: against all odds, the beat goes on 600 miles from home. but if moussa mega and his band carried on like this in their native city of gao they'd have been arrested or worse by the islamic militants who took over ten months ago. so they fled to safety in the south. we have heard that the extremists, rebels who have come to gao will not let you play. "that's right" he told me. "they said it was unislamic." how did they stop you? "they would break our instruments" he said "and whip us bitterly in public." the militants who control large parts of northern mali rule by terror. this cell phone video shows them in gao flogging a man found guilty of adultery and drinking alcohol. tata, the band's star dancer, is also a teacher. she told us gao was dangerous for women, too. riding with a man on a motorcycle or going out alone can mean arrest and rape. the local consensus is that as few as 400 extremists ruled gao's population of more than 100,000 with violence. here a thief is abo

-qaeda. the army entered the ancient city of timbukto, a day after taking the town of gao. both had been held by the militants for months. in support, french forces were air-dropped north of timbukto overnight. along with french helicopters, they helped drive the rebels north. >> there is a general movement of retreat so we can't exactly know what their plan is. i'm not sure they have a plan. it looks like they are heading north and trying to be where operations are taking place. >> woodruff: the militants had systematically destroyed ancient cultural sites in tick buck due. timbuktu. and before they retreated, they burned a library that held scrolls dating to the middle ages. it was unclear how many were destroyed. meanwhile, the people of gao celebrated after the rebels were routed there on sunday. lindsey hilsum of independent television news filed this report from gao. a warning: it contains some graphic images. >> reporter: malian intelligence officers investigating. the barrels in the courtyard they say were intended to flow up the bridge over the river niger leading into gao. this was

, with one exception. with the law that created they gao, there is an exception to monetary policy. gao cannot go in an audit in monetary policy decision. -- audit a monetary policy decision. if the audit the fed bill passed, a congressman who did not like the latest interest- rate move could say, gao, go an audit that. the gao would send its staff and to the federal reserve to say, why did you rise in interest rates? that is the first step for the federal reserve no longer being an independent central bank. there is strong agreement around the world that if you want monetary policy based on long- term considerations and not on short-term political consideration, the central bank needs to have some independence in making the trip policy. this bill would strike at the heart of this independence. it is my opinion that many people who support the bill think it means what it sounds like, something about the financials. it has to do with whether or not congress can pass the gao to investigate a decision by the fed that it does not like. if you want a healthy economy, you want to have a stron

stronghold gao. the u.s., britain, and other nations are pledging uses nickel -- logistical support. african states are stirring to deploy their own troops. let's get the latest now from the capital of mali. bring us up-to-date with the latest you have found on the ground. >> french forces have pushed deeper into the eighth rebels territory. they have attacked the town of gao and an army base. it has been taken over by rebels. they are said to have raised that army base on the ground. after stopping the advance of the rebels, bid has other strategic towns as the french forces a week in the military might. here there has been a huge response to a call by the president for the people of mali to help their week army. >> at a medical facility, people have gathered to donate blood. they are responding to our request from the president to support the country's forces which ever way they can. >> we are ready to respond to any request. if called to fight we will respond. we are ready to die. >> others donated money and food to the military. >> officials have called the french intervention in welcome

. second, all of our books and financials are open to the gao, which works for congress and the government and can look at anything it wants to look at. third, the independent sector general that is able to evaluate any aspects of the fed 's financials and activities that it would like. if you would like to see more, the fed's website has a detailed discussion of the various audits that we go through. all our financials and activities are thoroughly audited. with one exception. that is that in the law which created the government accountability office, there is an exception for monetary policy. the gao can do anything it wants but what it cannot do is go in and audit a monetary policy decision. but the audit the fed bill would do would be to strike that cause. if the bill passed, then a congressman who did not like it, the gao could send its staff into the federal reserve to look and see, why did you raise interest rates? and begin to investigate the decision. that is the first step toward the federal reserve no longer being an independent central bank. there is strong agreement around the

smart and wise. i'm not at all sure he is ride. >> can he read the gao report? can he read? >> he can. but i think his view of that is basically goes something like this: and i can't read hits mind. my sense is he believes that the economy is recovering that the recovery will in time gain steam because recovery already has. with that will come a gush everywhere of tax receipts which will help of offset deficits and reduce the need to borrow so much money that in time these things will take care of themselves and moreover -- >> >> bill: wait, clearly the report says to him because he is the leader of the nation you must cut and reform entitlements, u. must do it. no matter what happens with the economy and no matter what happens with the tax receipts, you have to do that bus it's unsustainable that the country can continue to spend as much money as it's spending on these entitle wants, medicare social security, social fabric, all of that he knows that. i'm saying in my heart he is rolling the dice with the future of every single american. every one. because of his, i guess, place in h

of the airport and bridge in the negotiate city of gao. refugees from the north are moving south often bunking in with relatives. elizabeth palmer reports from segou. >> reporter: we found the maiga clan, four families jammed in together in in one brother's house. the extremists who took over their town made life impossible for women fatima tells me. "we couldn't go out by ourselves," she says. and demonstrates how even way man to accompany them, women had to cover up or face arrest. the maiga family has its hopes pinned on the french army, which along with the mali military is pushing north to drive the extremists out. we asked fatima to call home for the latest news. it's not good. the extremists are reinforcing and no food is getting into the town. down the road, we find the segou school. the principal shows us the list of refugee students who fled the extremists' attack on education. the extremist excuse-- public schools weren't islamic enough. the schools in the north are closed. >> closed, closed, because that's why they are here because all the schools are-- they attended were closed. >

the newly liberated town of gao... >> ifill: ...and an update on the destruction of ancient manuscripts in the fabled city of timbuktu. >> woodruff: and we close with the story of a soldier who underwent a successful rare double arm transplant, after losing all of his limbs in the iraq war. >> i hated not having arms. i was all right with not having legs. not having arms takes so much away from you out of even your personality. >> woodruff: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> viking river cruises. >> bnsf railway. >> and by the bill and melinda gates foundation. dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy, productive life. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: one week into his second term, president obama officially took on the issue of immigration today. he said it comes down to a simpl

to present to the gao shortly a work plan for 2013. i believe it will look similar to the work plan in 2012, allocating 5000 out of the 17,000 or contract to special projects in audit. some of that a special requests from the supervisors; also perhaps 3000 hours, -- we would bring that shortly. this is one audit to be conducted during the course of the year. in terms of where we are now, we are completing today the final draft on the public safety realignment audit, submitting that to departments to get written comments.we hope to present up to the board of supervisors next week. we have an outstanding audit on the redevelopment agency that we want to discuss with this committee. our goal is to -- the amendment is looking at 12-1500, we cannot do all of it by may. we want to discuss with you what are your priorities and help you decide what some of the highest cost and risk issues are. in terms of the work both supervisor campus and cohen talk about working in tandem with the hud audit, in some of the findings to inform this process as opposed to duplicating this. i imagine it goin

african nation of mali, as jubilation gives way to retribution in the newly liberated city gao. lindsey hilsum of independent television news has an on-the- ground report. be advised: some of the images may be disturbing. reporter: the soldiers got him before he was attacked. just as well. vij it antis had already beaten up this man before the military rescued him. in gao, those said to have cooperated with him, the muslim jihad in unity who ruled this city for nine months, are in acute danger now. >> they're from majoa. they're the islam i haves who have gone into their homes to hide smed we've been rounding them up to hand them over to the military. >> reporter: days of joy emerging into days of vengeance. on saturday as mallian soldiers entered the town, a jihady fired into the crowd. the pictures are too graphic to show. he was lynched. torn limb from limb. left mutilated and dead. today we saw one of the jihaddist's weapons clashes. the people of gao are full of anger about the men who used their town as a base for their war against all things western. there's no one here to stop t

. and i want to spend just a little bit of time on showing you what the g.a.o. -- not tom coburn, not oversight, not my research -- but what g.a.o. has said about where we are in terms of stupidity and duplication. so i ask per mix for these oversight charts because the detail behind them cannot be seen unless you have it on a chart this size. so i go through these rather quickly so the american people can get a little bit of a flavor of the programs that we have. we've 15 different programs run by 13 different agencies in the federal government that cost $30 million to teach financial literacy to the american people. now, number one, i don't think that falls within the enumerated powers, but let's assume it does. why in the world would we have 15 sets of administrators, 15 sets of overhead to spend $30 million? it makes no sense whatsoever. so let's assume that those a role for the federal government. i disagree that it is. but why not one program and if you take away the overhead, you'd spend exactly the same amount of money teaching financial literacy and you wouldn't waste it

said gao says half of that will be wasted. it will never be completed. and back in black the city ought to cancel this because it will never work. this is out inefficient government is. finally the air force canceled the spent another 100 million first. they paid the settlement fee to cancel of $8 million. but the person responsible did not get fired and not held accountable. those that did not provide the service got their money back. nobody runs their household that way. most state governments operate the we are incompetent when it comes to spending america is taxpayer money would raise $32 billion for year on programs that don't work? that is 60% of what they want to take additional lay out of the pentagon. where does the leadership say we will stop? to have a special subcommittee with the bad actors and we demand those people get fired but none of that happens. you could not perform on a contract and do it with impunity because members of congress are basically not willing or inexperienced to know you should hold people accountable whether a federal employee but that is one example

liberated town of gao... >> ifill: ...and an update on the destruction of ancient manuscripts in the fabled city of timbuktu. >> woodruff: and we close with the story of a soldier who underwent a succes r

initiatives in the states and the federal government, the g.a.o. office issued a report on the possibility of a mileage tax to replace the -- or go with the gas tax, with a lot of hybrids on the road, where fuel efficiency standards are increasing, as well as electric cars, a lot of states and the federal government are not getting as much of the transportation tax they -- gas tax they use for transportation that they got before. so they're are trying to figure out another way to get the money. one way is potentially, doing a pay by the mile tax. and that is what i think you are referring to with these gps systems, which is one of the propoafs to put in your car, to bible to monitor how many miles you go. >> have you to put it in your car, it's the government's way of monitoring how much you are driving and taxing you accordingly. that's creepy in and of itself. >> right? at least the federal government report mentioned that it is prohibitive, the privacy concern for such a device, that they don't think it's a doable they think nationally -- >> neil: but they do it with ev-pass and other s

been with gao since 1984 leading a wide rage of efforts improve and effectiveness of federal programs. lori's work has included evaluations of federal worker training, protection of for place quality programs as well as assessments of efforts to retake the integrity of social security numbers. laurie is also -- efforts to enhance training opportunities and career development to the gao step. with that let me turn it over to enter spent as jessica said the real id act represent significant investment against identity theft and fraud. since 2005 in complying with real id, the state made tremendous progress in meeting requirements in a green securities at for driver's license. just give you a brief smattering of what that looks like, in 2007 you would have about 23 states that were confirming immigration status before issuing a driver's license. a driver's license. now that number is as high as 48 out of 50 fixtures, this is a significant increase. 96% of states provide fraudulent document recognition training for their employees, an 89% of states to background checks. these represent th

of health. secondly, all of our books, financials, everything is open to the gao, government accountability office, which is -- you know, works for congress and the government can look at anything it wants to. and the inspector general, it will to evaluate any aspect of the fed's financial. if you'd like to speak -- see more about this, the fed website has a detailed discussion of the various audits that the federal reserve answers to. all of the activities are thoroughly audited. one exception. the -- date created the government accountability office, the gao. there is an exception made. they can do anything it wants, but what it cannot do is go and and make a monetary policy decision. now, what it the bill would do is strike that clause. so if the spotted the fed bill passed then a congressman it did not like the interest-rate move could say, the gao, go on with that. what that would mean is the government accountability office would send it staff into the federal reserve to look and see, what did you guys raise interest rates and began to investigate that decision? it seems to me, that i

security should focus, we saw in the gao study was a income healtly the versiot only focussed on the southwest border, it needs to be a comprehensive study of our coastlines, and those that over stay their visas. lou: and illegal immigrants, estimated 40% here, as a result of entering through the ports and airports. over staying their visas. going to the idea that we're going to see this battle joined. i have gone through the list with gallup, talking about problem that face the nation, this president those en one of the lowest priorities -- chose en one of the lowest priorities for american people to put his great, effort into, that is gun control here, is talking about immigration reform, and gun control, he is taking on the issues that frankly are not -- not at the top of the list for most americans. how doe you raisingallize that, we need to resolve the issue, but how do we eplane hi explains of priority. >> well, i don't think they should mess with the second amendment, when they put it out there immigration reform should be done in a way it achieves an american purpose,

cargadores, el alguacil de ore o oregon dice que no pondra el ley el no defenderse, su misibva gao adeptos, pero el presidente esta a cuero do de firmar, pero di u que si sus hijos sean protegi o protegisdoprotegisddos protegidos. >> la asociacion del rifle que e esta de acuerdo y dice que at a atacara el comercio ilegal, la o o organizacion dice que los niños son vulnerables. >> gracias por la información, e el panico en londres por un h i helicoptehel helicóptero, investigan la causa del accidente se reportan dos muertos y 13 heridos. >> un camion causo accidente en texas, el chofer murió en el t acto, el trafico quedo interr p interrumpidopor varias horas. >> cuando se desplomo una avió e avióneta murió unados eprsper t detalles. >> el perdiodista jorge lopez e el acrobata cabaañas, los det e detalles aun no se saben. >> alpinismo, esqui acuatico a eran algundas de las especila e especilidades en que jorge se s especializo. >> perdió la vida al desplomarce la avióneta, sucedio cuando se grabo adrenalina xtreme, el a i accidente fue a pocos metros de la autopista

, lori has been with the gao since 1984, leading a wide range of efforts to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of federal programs. lori's work has included evaluations of federal worker training, protection of workplace quality programs as well as assessments of efforts to protect the integrity of social security numbers. lori has also led internally focused efforts to enhance training opportunities and career development for the g8 of staff. let me turn it over to andrew. >> as jessica said, the real id act reticent significant investment against identity theft and fraud. since 2005 in complying with real id, the states made tremendous progress in meeting the requirements and updating the security's for driver's licenses. just to give you a brief smattering of what that looks like him in 2007 you only have about 27 states are confirming immigration status before issuing a driver's license. now the number is as high as 48 out of 86 jurisdictions. this is a significant increase. 96% of states provide fraudulent document recognition training for their employees, and 89% of sta

records of these mentally incontinent of the system. >> that's backed up by a gao report last year finding between 2004 and 2011, almost half of all-states increased the number available. as for lapierre's flip-flop, he slipped out without taking questions. that's him behind senator ted cruz. >> you know, i understand the media likes to put everything in the context of politics, my focus is on what works. strict gun control does not work. >> the day's other star witness, former congresswoman and shooting victim, gabby giffords left with the aid of her husband, who hardly sounded confident. you can they can get a bill passed? yet another sign the fate of gun control won't be settled at a hearing. >> nancy robinson is executive director. matt, let me start with you. pretty interesting about face by the nra and probably surprising a lot of people watching, but tell me why you don't think background checks, a universal background check is going to work? >> first of all, has there ever been a worse spokesman? seriously. i like the 98 version better. the idea it's a panecea, if you look at the t

of our books, all of our financials, everything is open to the gao, the public accounting office which is, you know, works for the congress and the government and can look at anything it wants to look at. and, third, we also have an independent inspector general that is able to, you know, evaluate any aspect of the fed's financials or activities that it would like. if you'd like to see more about this, the fed's web site, federalreserve.gov, has a detailed discussion of all the various audits that the federal reserve goes through. so all of our financials, all of our activities are thoroughly audited with one exception. and that exception is that in the law which, um, created the government accountability office, the gao, there is an exception made for monetary policy. in other words, gao can do anything it wants at the federal reserve, but what it can't do is go in and audit a monetary policy decision. now, what the audit the fed bill would do is very simple, it would strike that clause. so if the audit the fed bill passed, then a congressman who didn't like the fed's latest interest rat

is unconstitutional. on friday, i also wrote the gao -- or the government accountability office and said to them, do an investigation. identify all of the action taken and that action in my opinion is void because it was done by people who were there illegally. >> just to clarify for folks who are not as familiar with this, richard cordrey appointed, also as a recess appointment, not part of this case. but basically, done in the same way, at the same time, to head up that consumer bureau. so you are saying even though the court decision wasn't about him specifically, you think there is a good argument that he needs to go as well. >> based on this court opinion, it's obvious. you are absolutely right. he was appointed at the same time in the same way, during the same recess. and the ramifications for that consumer protection bureau are even worse because he is the one -- this was a part of dodd-frank, he was the one that brought this bureau up and gave it life and now it's pretty clear, under the ruling of the court that -- actions taken there, if he is there illegally, those actions are going to be

were closing in, taking over the city gates and all traffic going out and coming in of gao. in timbuktu, a cut offshoots fully control the town. patrolling the city of islamic learning for all, adultery, and other violations of sharia law. here the fighters from nigeria and mauritania me go with those from across the area. and from their perch high above timbuktu, answer there will never ask them to leave. >> their brothers in al qaeda, our brothers in religion. they're here with us overseeing things in the same area we are working and our relationship with them is one of muslim. by what right could be expelled them? as a service to france or america? >> at this hideout in another northern town, tuareg rebels say andaeda are proxy's of mali algeria, utilized for years to isolate tuareg communities and prevent the appearance of a tuareg state. >> the main enemy of the mali government is the tuareg. this is the belief system upon which the malian state is based, that the primary interest -- enemy is the tuareg. since the birth of mali, mali had taken the lead just like the french colonial

homes will blow up before all of our eyes. chances are you will not hear about the gao's report today except on this program. the liberal media will not tell you what is going on. the reason? president obama does not, does not want to cut federal spending or reform entitlements. that is crystal clear. and the media loves president obama. so the folks be damned. this is like people standing on the beach a tsunami is coming. if you don't move you are going to be killed. the beach folks say i like it here. i'm not moving. and then eventually the wave sweeps them away. that's exactly what's happening now. we're living in a country that's polarized. we are also living in a country that is becoming addicted to machines, the internet. we discussed that last night. many american citizens, perhaps most, are now too lazy to pay attention to their country. they are selfish, caught up in individual pursuits. thus, the federal government has been allowed by we the people to get out of control. last year, the feds spent $1.1 trillion proximate result than the government took in. that is grossly irr

the gao has pointed out again and again there is a lot of room for improvement to rid the system of waste, fraud, and abuse. >>neil: do you think as the president makes his way to the reviewing stand, he is feet from us, literally, from where i am, before he moves to the review youing stand, do you think he is seizing on what he thinks is the advantage over congress and your popularity, collectively, republicans, sir, and he will get his way because you guys have not found yours. what do you say? >> listen, we are in the majority in the house of representatives because the voters of our district sent to us do the job to reinstill a common sense approach into the spending situation in washington and actually begin to allow america to grow again. we believe there are areas in common to work with the president on and to promote innovation and opportunity country we are and to reflect on our roots about a country open to all and has more opportunity for more people than any in the history of the world. >>neil: a man who will be central to all the debates moving forward, and now you can see me

to increase the spending rather than do what the gao recommends. >> i one of the things that you said in the president's speech yesterday and set up at the talking points at the top you said it will be impossible for him to do everything he wants to do. part of yesterday's speech recognizes that, instead what the president was doing was enunciating those principles for history. i think he knows that he has got a very difficult slog in this congress over the next four years, he wants to be able to say here is the goals, here is the direction i'm pointing in i don't know exactly what we can achieve but this is what we want to do. >> bill: i want my president to be a problem solver and i don't care what party he or she is in and i don't see that here. what's the difference between bill clinton's ideology and barack obama's ideology? >> i don't think there saul that much difference. >> bill: do you think they are both just liberal? they are both in the same area of liberalism? i always thought that clinton wasn't quite as liberal as barack obama. >> well, you know it depends on which stag

but that's not what we elect leaders for. >> i want to macthe point that the gao -- president obama's personal government odd it doctor -- odd it for says if we don't have a century plies 1's ogdp right now, over the next decade we're going to be running the same gdp to debt ratio we have now if we don't start running a surplus of 1%. that's the only way to see the same debt to gdp ratio we have now. so when the president's personal auditor of the government is saying we have a spending problem, we do. >> i don't like when they say the percentage of gdp is not that bad. >> or say we'd have before after world war ii. >> that was different. we didn't have competition and china nipping out our heels or russia and are brazil. and they say look at japan. yeah, look at japan. two decades of lost productivity. a country going down the drain. i'm glad they elected the guy they just did in japan, the citizens and companies own 90 mrs. of their debt. it's not china that opens their debtor the fedes printing fake money. it's difference. people are actually believing what they're doing and put

by the government accountability office. a gao report shows nearly 40% of illegal imgrants avoided apprehension by the border patrol and made it across the border into this country, and immigration and customs enforcement agents claim the obama administration, itself, is blocking them from carrying out their enforcement assignment. a federal judge has ruled their lawsuit against i.c.e. director john morton can move forward. that lawsuit claims that director morton's memorandum on prosecutor discretion prohibit agents from arrests illegal immigrants, potentially making them violate their oath of office. following the president's speech today, following the proposal by the gang of eight, and the legislation remains uncertain. first, create the borders, create an effective employment verification system to ensure businesses don't hire illegal immigrants, to create visa programs for highly skilled, highly educated workers, and so establish a new agricultural worker program, and to then establish a pathway to citizenship for those illegal immigrants who deserve the opportunity. joining us now, one o

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of you who do not know who g l our, we are part of the legislative branch, and we respond -- who the gao are, we are part of the legislative branch, and we respond. we wanted congress to take a look at, what progress has been made over the last 10 years since september 11? what have states and key federal agencies been doing to address some of the threats that came to be known at that time ad? what we do it is that we go out, we gather information, and with an eye towards identifying things that congress to do -- can do to improve efficiencies. when we were at a visiting and chatting and looking at data, real id had not gone into place. states do not have to comply if they do not want to. this is not a compliance review. this was in the context of our work because you had some states that were looking to comply and were trying to do what they could. there were some states but not have any intention of complying, but they realized that these sorts of identity verification procedures were very critical to citrine a driver's license issuance. again, it was a context for everything we did. w

to the gao, the government accountability office, which is working for congress, the governments, and can look at anything they want to look at, and, third, there's an independent inspector general that is able to, you know, evaluate any aspect of the feds financials for activity that it would like. if you like to see more about this, the fed's website, federalreserve.gov, where we all go to. all the financials, all our activities are thoroughly awe -- audited with one exception. that exception is that in the law which created the government accountability office, the gao, there's an exception made for monetary policy. in other words, gao can do anything it wants at the federal reserve, but what it can't do is do in and awe did a monetary policy decision. now, what the audit the fed would do is simple. it would strike that clause. if the awe -- audit the fed bill passed, then a congressman who didn't like the fed's latest interest rate move could say gao, audit that, and that means the government accountability office sends its staff into the federal reserve to look and see why did you ra

the gao says at least half of that will be wasted. in other words, it will never get completed and do what it's supposed to do. we had a program in the air force that we situate to cancel this. you ought to cancel this because it's never going to work. here's how an efficient government is. this last week we spend another hundred million dollars before they canceled it. they paid a settlement fee of $8 million. but two things didn't happen. the person responsible didn't get fired and wasn't held accountable in the company that didn't provide the service didn't get sued to get our money back, taxpayers of the country. nobody runs their household that way. the state government don't operate that way, but we are totally incompetent when it comes to spending america's taxpayer money. why would we continue to a $32 billion a year on i.t. programs that don't work for the federal government. but 60% of what they take out of the pentagon and that's governmentwide. why would we do that? were going to have a special senate committee to look at this, oversight, look at bad actors in gover

explosives near the niger border. meanwhile, french forces pushed towards the rebel stronghold city of gao. but lindsey hilsum of independent television news reports that the malian army is now posing problems for the french military. >> reporter: the malian army is on the lookout for jihadis running from french bombing. soldiers in units fighting further north say the islamist fighters are well-armed and many of them very young. in the gendarmery in sevare, an officer brought out a 16-year- old he said had been captured near douentza, a town the jihadists had occupied until last week. the boy said he'd just been looking for work. >> ( translated ): they gave us clothes and shoes. we stayed with them, cooking for them. after a few days, one team of mutra hadeem went out to fight, but we stayed to cook for the others. >> reporter: he seemed bewildered. "i never carried a weapon," he said, "and my friend and i ran away when the fighting started." >> ( translated ): when the mutra hadeem left to give food to their colleagues at the checkpoints, we realized that we had to leave. when we were w

$64 billion on i.t. projects. that's $64 billion. the gao says at least half of that will be wasted. in other words, it'll never get completed, it's never do what it's supposed to do. in "back in black" we had a program in the air force that we said you ought to cancel. we said this two years ago. you ought to cancel this, because it's never going to work, all right? hoors how inefficient government is. this last week the air force canceled it, finally. they spent another $100 million on it before they canceled it. they paid a settlement fee to cancel it of $8 million, but two things didn't happen. the perp that was responsible -- the person that was responsible for that contract didn't get fired and wasn't held accountable, and the company that didn't provide the service didn't get sued to get our money back, the taxpayers of this country. nobody runs their household that way. most state governments don't operate that way. but we are totally incompetent when it comes to spending america's taxpayers' money. so why would we continue to waste $32 billion a year on i.t. programs that d

-week military operation to rout islamist rebels in mali. malian forces liberated the towns of gao and timbuktu this week, and french troops now have occupied the airport at a third key city-- kidal. in paris today, the french defense minister said his government is open to having u.n. peacekeepers take over, with french support. those are some of the day's major stories. now, back to jeff. >> brown: and we turn to two stories about conflict in the middle east. as the battle in syria between president bashar al-assad's forces and the free syrian army or f.s.a. rages on, thousands of refugees flood into neighboring countries. jonathan miller of "independent television news" takes us to a secret crossing point on the border with jordan on the outskirts of the syrian city of da'-raa. >> reporter: katiba jaber is a lonely place, exposed to desert winds that chill you to the bone. the border guard is ready for what the night will bring. ( gunfire ) the shooting started shortly after sunset. those are close. the syrians fire at the jordanians every night but the jordanians don't fire back. and bashar

to rout islamist rebels in mali. malian forces liberated the towns of gao and timbuktu this week, and french troops now have occupied the airport at a third key city-- kidal. in paris today, the french defense minister said his government is open to having u.n. peacekeepers take over, with french support. those are some of the day's major stories. now, back to jeff. >> brown: and we turn to two stories about conflict in the middle east. as the battle in syria between president bashar al-assad's forces and the free syrian army or f.s.a. rages on, thousands of refugees flood into neighboring countries. jonathan miller of "independent television news" takes us to a secret crossing point on the border with jordan on the outskirts of the syrian city of da'-raa. >> reporter: katiba jaber is a lonely place, exposed to desert winds that chill you to the bone. the border guard is ready for what the night will bring. ( gunfire ) the shooting started shortly after sunset. those are close. the syrians fire at the jordanians every night but the jordanians don't fire back. and bashar's force

speaker. are we going to continue like it's business as usual? the g.a.o. has criticized l.s.c. over their lack of controls and lack of internal checks, yet we keep throwing money at them. we can't keep doing the same thing and expect anything different. today let's at least not throw more good money after bad by wasting another $1 million on an unauthorized giveaway to attorneys. please support my amendment. it will strip the $1 million if this bill and prevent any emergency spending to pay for attorneys that should be paid for by private citizens aned the private sector. i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: for what purpose does the gentlelady from new york seek recognition? mrs. lowey: i rise to claim time in opposition. the chair: the gentlelady is recognize. mrs. lowey: legal aid offices are facing an increase in needs directly related to sandy the legal corporation assistance is never more important than following a major disaster. since sandy hit, legal aid programs in new york and new jersey have set up recovery hotlines, disaster recovery centers, partnered with othe

office. i have never seen warnings as stark as those given by the g.a.o. to president obama. some low lights of the g.a.o. report are striking and deserve emphasis. in fiscal year 2012 the federal national mortgage association and federal home loan mortgage corporation, commonly known as fannie mae and freddie mac reported about $85 billion in net valuation losses. the federal government's pension benefit guarantee corporation's liabilities exceeded its assets by about $34 billion. the postal service finished the year with a reported net loss of almost $16 billion. the federal housing administration reported that its liabilities exceeded its assets by about $15 billion. mr. speaker, america's on a path to insolvency and bankruptcy, an event that will debilitate our contry. america has incurred four consecutive unsustainable trillion dollar deficits and in the midst of a fifth consecutive trillion dollar deficit. america's national debt exceeds $16 trillion. interest on our debt is well in excess of $200 billion per year. to put our debt service in perspective, that more than four time

costs. that is highly speculative. but rooney 11 gao study showed significant results. three out of every five had no impact. the 2012 report was based on only one event. statistically inconclusive. the bipartisan estimate are based upon both of these gao studies, and they missed the point. the fact of the matter is unsustainable spending over time without doubt will raise cost of our borrowing in america. that's why we are all here today to deal with this issue, or attempt to give our best insight. i'd like to ask dr. foster a question with related to the debt ceiling. many of us see the other side of that coin as a credit downgrade, the second one, which has serious consequences, not just for our borrowing but for borrowing of small businesses and consumers at home. my question to you, and i know there's different opinions, but what do you think congress has to do? what steps should we take to create not just medium term fiscal consolidation addressing that issue but long-term dealing with our long-term drivers of debt and spending? what do we need to do to avoid a second downg

americfor ameri. and we have to figure out how to do it smart. we had a report from the gao office that members went to vegas and spent millions and that is shameful and it needs to stop, and democratss and reps can agree on that, but we have to get past the talking points of just taxes and talk about a comprehensive solution. >> and economic growth. >> and the struggle in fact, does continue. we will be right back. [ male announcer ] how do you make america's favorite recipes? just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. >>> remember that whole we oppose ip creakre increases of the republican party? well, don't believe it. because 70% of americans will pay more in taxes,

-founder of no label, david walker, the formal head of the office at gao. nice to have you all here. okay. so -- we have big problems. huge issues that need to be solved in our country. it looks like we are going to be lurching every six weeks to another silly drip drap showdown for four years. is that what we are looking at here? >> what the republicans have done is always keeping this administration on the defense from a fiscal standpoint. your point was brilliant in how you worded it. every six months we have the conversation where the republican party wants to be. they want to rebrand themselves as fiscal austerity and fiscal restraint. medicare part d and iraq. that was so ten years ago. but to my earlier point, what's interesting is i'm surprised how defensive the white house hanover the last two years on this issue. to your point, what the republicans are trying to do, i suspect, is drag this along, continue the conversation and force president obama into a lame duck session where he's going to be much more weakened going into his second term. >> david you say no labels. now your role as pri

the responsibility to share mental health records. and i'm pleased that taxes has been highlighted by the gao has outperforming other states in this area, but we have a long way to go. i think there are areas where we can come together right now, examine the nexus between gun crime, violence, and mental health care. i'm willing to listen to serious ideas, not just window dressing, to come up with solutions. capt. kelly, i noticed in your testimony you alluded to part of what i talked about, which is the fact that at the time in arizona their 121,000 records of disqualifying mental illness for people in arizona who had not been subjected to background checks because the state had not send that information to the federal government. could you expand on the significance? >> in the case of jared loughner, a person who shot my wife and murdered six of her constituents, he was clearly mentally ill. he was expelled from the local community college because of that. his parents and his school did not send him anywhere to be adjudicated or evaluated with regard to his mental illness. mr. lapierre earlier t

your darn taxes for crying out loud. but mercy, two heed. >> 6 billion hours. the gao did a study in 2005 said the inefficiency of the tax code, this is back then. the inefficiency the time that it costs us to gather everything up, cost the country up to $600 billion a year. the last time this thing was revamped it was 1986. 2001, 5000 changes. four million words, the tax code. four million words. bill: what politicians always say, hey we'll make it easier. >> i will read it line by line. i will take care of you. i got your back, baby. don't worry about it. think it was giuliani said do it in one page? i think maybe he should run again because this is outrageous. bill: four million words, is absolutely absurd. what we find nine out of 10 people now either hire an accountant or going to the computer or using some sort of software program to accomplish this feat. that's sick. >> that is sick. it is expensive. in fact we've got more tax preparers in this country than we do law enforcement and firefighters combined. 1.2 million people who just prepare taxes in this country. bill: real

to our, we go through the back in black. we list 9 trillion. we get the gao to allied thrust -- or duplication of federal government has gone through two-thirds of that now. the last report will come in april of this year. they have already identified 200 areas where we have multiple programs doing exactly the same thing. with no oversight by congress, no metrics to see if it's working. and that comes close to $200 billion a year in wasted money, wasted money that is not enhancing what it was intended to do or not facilitating what it was intended to do. >> in the debt bomb you have duplication and federal programs. science, technology, engineering, mathematics education programs. 209 of those. surface transportation, 100 plus. picture quality, 82 programs. economic development 88. transportation assistance, 80 financial literacy among 56 different programs, job training forty-seven different job training programs. homelessness and the prevention, assistance, plenty programs. food for the hundred and 18. disaster response prepared this cannot be met, 17 different programs. >>

are lots of g.a.o. reports, lots of inspector general reports. they are all detailed in our footnotes and what not, but there are unquestionably programs and particularly -- not particularly program results and use of funds and outcomes research, overall metrics, etc., that just hasn't been developed and need to be developed. >> thank you, doris. >> i just want to quick -- i agree with what doris said. given the pace at which these programs have been introduced, especially after 9/11, it's been very difficult for oversight to catch up with the growth, frankly. but i think despite that comment, i think you have to give credit to the government accountability office and the office of inspector general that despite the time when congress was giving more money to these agencies for doing even what they asked for, that they have actually tried to provide some modicum of oversight. i mean, the 287-g program which we talked about did reform as a result of the government accountability office report. i.c.e. then did create a more uniformed men dumb of understanding which created a little bit

the information i produce and the gao produces and the other igs produce and synthesize that into how is that going to impact our programs? i see i'm getting the hook. >> that's a great answer. i think we are going to move onto the panel. this q&a could go on for two more hours. we brought someone of high interest who gave a very interesting discussion. thank you so much for coming. please join me in thanking him. [applause] >> thank you very much. [inaudible conversations] >> afghans could read the president smooths, unlike anyone else. he came as close as anyone to gaining admittance into what robert sherwood called roosevelts heavily forested interior. unlike mrs. roosevelt, he knew when to be still in the presence of the president, when to press him or when to back off and tell a joke. after he won the election wendell willkie who he beat was in his office comp then they remained friends. wilkie said to the president, cut why do you keep that man so close to you? batman being hopkins. wilkie did not like hopkins and roosevelroosevel t said you know, hume may be in this office some

scary. it is very chaotic. you think if they made us gao to the library, i mean, to the cafeteria, if you can't find the guy, how do you know he's not in the crawl with us? all i can do is stay away from windows and pray. >> i saw three people just, you know, arguing, and then -- i didn't pay attention. i thought just playing around. and i made it out there, passed by the library, i started listening to all the shooting and when i looked back, i saw just people running towards me. and i grabbed my teach -- the teacher that fell, i grabbed her and we took her out of the building. >> what can you tell us? >> what we do know right now is we have an ongoing situation at this time. because it is ongoing i cannot give any further details. we do have we believe three people injured at this time. again, we also have a person of interest that is being detained at this time. thank you. >> so as he points out, anderson, and as we have been reporting, one person of interest according to the school official i talked to, two individuals, two shooters, involved in this altercation, was it the li

according to gao. the higher cost will be almost $19 billion over the next decade. of course, who could forget the u.s. credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our history? one senior director said shortly after the credit agency downgraded the rating, that the stability and effectiveness of american political institutions or undermined by the fact, "the people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default." "the washington post" stated, "in 2011, the debt ceiling dispute traumatized the economy." a senior economist was one of the many economists who has warned against the repeat. he wrote in a report last week, and again i quote, "if political bickering over the debt issue reaches as it did in the summer of 2011, then consumer confidence will dive further into recession territory." we are hearing today that there may be other options. some seem to suggest it might be possible to obstruct treasury to pay bondholders while delaying payment to others. whose bills should be delayed or cut? the social security checks of 56 million seniors and people with disa

. we lost, we saw our credit rating downgraded. and both g.a.o. and the bipartisan policy center have set a cost -- said it cost the taxpayers over $1 billion. that's all we're doing right now. another dose of uncertainty. to my friend and colleague the chairman of the budget committee, yes, we need budgets. yes we need to reduce our long-term deficits. that's never been the issue the issue is how. we believe we've got to make trget targeted cuts and reforms but we also believe we need to eliminate a lot of tax breaks and loopholes that we heard from our colleagues about in order to reduce the deficit in a balanced way. if you don't do that, you sock it to everybody else in the country. let's pass a balanced approach to reducing our deficit and not one that takes it out of the expenditure. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i would just say we have already increased the debt limit over $5 trillion in the obama administration, almost a 50% inkeys in the debt limit. let me also say we have had many, several, temporary short-

month in terms of jobs. we lost, we w our credit rating downgraded. and both g.a.o. and the bipartisan policy center have set a cost -- said it cost the taxpayers over $1 billion. that's all we're doing right now. another dose of uncertainty. to my friend and colleague the chairman of the budget committee, yes, we need budgets. yes we need to reduce our long-term deficits. that's never been the issue the issue is how. we believe we've got to make trget targeted cuts and reforms but we also believe we need to eliminate a lot of tax breaks and loopholes that we heard from our colleagues about in order to reduce the deficit in a balanced way. if you don't do that, you sock it to everybody else in the country. let's pass a balanced approach to reducing our deficit and not one that takes it out of the expenditure. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i would just say w have already increased the debt limit over $5 trillion in the obama administration, almost a 50% inkeys in the debt limit. let me also say we have had many several,

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